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Jesse, I appreciate your excitability and big vision-thinking, but you need to also be reasonable, man! You resemble a certain Wisconsin Gov. who likes to announce dozens of new opportunities (TAXES) but offers no solution for funding. We'll see what happens on Feb. 13 when his plan is announced. Just be ready to assume the position my eager friend.



I'll make you a deal. If you move farther out, say to Jefferson County, I won't bring up how you're just a selectively anti-tax tool.

Good then, glad we can come to an amicable agreement.
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The cigarette tax is not some scheme to make money for the state as a whole. It is designed to work in unison with the state wide ban to decrease smoking in the state. The money from the tax is going straight to a healthcare fund and the money will go a long way in helping the uninsured in this state. As people decrease their smoking so will healthcare care costs in this country.

Oh and regarding government subsidies of transportation go buy or check out Asphalt Nation the next chance you get and then come to the discussion saying that American's love of the automobile is their free will choice. The only reason why Americans love the car so much is because the government (read: special interests and corruption) made it oh so simple for them.
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Jesse, I appreciate your excitability and big vision-thinking, but you need to also be reasonable, man! You resemble a certain Wisconsin Gov. who likes to announce dozens of new opportunities (TAXES) but offers no solution for funding. We'll see what happens on Feb. 13 when his plan is announced. Just be ready to assume the position my eager friend.



I'll make you a deal. If you move farther out, say to Jefferson County, I won't bring up how you're just a selectively anti-tax tool.

Good then, glad we can come to an amicable agreement.



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The cigarette tax is not some scheme to make money for the state as a whole. It is designed to work in unison with the state wide ban to decrease smoking in the state. The money from the tax is going straight to a healthcare fund and the money will go a long way in helping the uninsured in this state. As people decrease their smoking so will healthcare care costs in this country.

Oh and regarding government subsidies of transportation go buy or check out Asphalt Nation the next chance you get and then come to the discussion saying that American's love of the automobile is their free will choice. The only reason why Americans love the car so much is because the government (read: special interests and corruption) made it oh so simple for them.



Oh, its a scheme alright. Doyle is simply a snake--which ironically is a powerful symbol for the Indian tribes. Government should not tell us what to do with our bodies and not tell us if we can smoke on our property or not. Is it not ironic for the people who tell everyone else to stay out of their business with abortions and things of that nature--to tell others how to live their lives? I also dont think these smokers should not have the burden of healthcare on their backs. Liberals need to stop forcing things down our throats. Smokers are decreasing in the U.S. each year.

And I do not believe the government is the reason why we drive cars. This is just conspiracy theory--just like its white governments fault that many blacks in the hood' smoke crack. Cars are conveinent. Cars go along with Manifest Destiny--we are independent and enjoy the freedom of movement. I like to go to the store on my own accord. I like to drive around the city. Mass transportation is supported by some of the left in my opinion because it controls the people--much like most everything they support from cigarettes, healthcare, and free enterprise.


Sure, taking a Milwaukee County Bus is greatly cheaper than a car--but people choose the car because of the conveince. Besides, in a cold climate city/region--cars are needed. Just look at the crap with MPS calling off schools the last few days because all these kids take the damn bus. Not everyone lives on the Eastside, downtown, or the Third Ward. Most of us, even people on bus lines like me, would not be able to comfortably use it. Ever drive through Chicago at 3 in the morning in winter? People waiting in the freezing cold from the El. Once they get on their train--they are forced to walk blocks to their work or take a bus. Public transportation is nice in late spring, some non humid days of summer, and early fall--but is a !@#$ for
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I shouldn't have to be forced to be exposed to deadly chemicals that have been proven to kill people. People who chose to smoke can still smoke, they just have to do it where they aren't endangering other people's lives.

And again back to the transportation issue read the book, then get back to me.
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Lets not forget how GM systematically removed mass transit from cities all across the country.(wiki this it interesting) Or how Robert Moses convinced planners across the country that building highways by bulldozing neighborhoods somehow lessoned congestion and improved neighborhoods.... hahaha

I'll tell you having not seen my car in 4 months now.... I'm feeling quite free!
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I shouldn't have to be forced to be exposed to deadly chemicals that have been proven to kill people. People who chose to smoke can still smoke, they just have to do it where they aren't endangering other people's lives.

And again back to the transportation issue read the book, then get back to me.



Yeah, I agree with smokers having less rights than non smokers. However, the state should not dicatate how a business owner operates his or her property. If somebody wants to open a bar without smoking--open one with those rules. This is the American way--letting the market decide, not some do gooder flake in Madison or Milwaukee.

I also have no doubt that GM fought hard for use of cars. Why shouldnt they? Again, thats the American way. People in this country are not stupid--we simply have more money and dont need to put up with the b.s. like they do in other parts of the world. . Even car centric cities like L.A. have mass transit. Problem is that its inconvienient unlike driving a car. Its nice if you live in Europe--were the city is incredibly dense or an American city like Boston, NYC, San Fran, or Chicago.
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okay, let's get some facts stright here.

I work at Abbott. my company will not ever build in Kenosha , ever. All high level positions in the company employ people from around the world that want to livein the Chicago area. They senior people in the North Share or commute to Abbott form the City.

All mfg jobs are being sent oversees. There are no jobs to relocate to Wisconsin. The land we have in Kenosha county is a bargaining chip to get incetnives from State of IL so we don't move to New Jersey where 98% of our industry is located.

Next Topic: is KRM a good thing. Absolutely, the two metro areas are already connected. Why would we even be talking about it if it were not. Do we talk about Mke and Madison the same way? Of course not, because the 30 miles of farmland in Jeff Co is separating them.

KRM is a good plan to not only move a hell of a lot of people w/o building more roads, it will demonstrate to mKEans that rail is viable. They currently don't get it because they dont' understand it. In Chicago, EVERYONE ses Metra at some point. When this is demonstrated in MKE, the Ludites in Wauk/Wash/Ozauk cos will finally get it. It will actually help the economy. Being sepatated from Chicago only hurts MKE. Embrace the fact that we are one large metro area na climb on board.

Oh yeah, one finaly fact, Abbott has shuttles onstatnly running between the train station in Lake Bluff and Abbott Park. If they didn ot do this, how the hell would we ever get all the 20-30 year olds that livein Evanston/Chicago to work here. Christ, we are in the boonies up here where everyone has 2.1 kids, drives a SUV with car seats and goes to Chuckie Cheezes. Metra provides hundreds if not thousands of eager, bright and young employees for the company that we would never attract if they had to drive. Why Abbott if they can work at Motarola, United, Boeing, Sears, and the millions of small companies that appeal to the next generation
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I hope you are wrong about Abbot Labs
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UW System, education, health care for everybody within a gazillion light years from Wisconsin, education, illegal aliens' rights, education, ethanol (a big effing UGH!), light rail, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on...oh, did I mention education?



If you want to complain about all that being publicly funded, you better throw the highway system in there too. A billion dollar interchange to send people to Brookfield thirty seconds faster is an awful lot of my tax money. If you want to go whole-hog private sector, let's start with the very thing that has historically fueled the reduced density of our cities, cost us so much of our mass transit, and knocked down more than a few houses to boot.

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